now that we see some of this, there was a case in northern virginia where t family reported to authorities that thei sons hade and they were arrested in pakistan. that's the cooperation, that's the moral courage we need to see more publicly demonstrated more often frankly so that there is this counter message that this form of violence and jihadism is not going to be tolerated within the muslim community itself. >> i top the kpla an interview i did this week. he faced the brunt ofth ese elements byan preaching tolerance and against this kind of jihadist version of 'sislam. here's what he said exactly to your point about stopping the spread of this on the internet. >> you can't stop the internet it appears. governments have tried and failed. so would you ever answerut reaching out to these various people who supporth on the internet and who put it on the internet? >> it is true, youth programs join so that they can have discussions and even i call it debate with them. i never attended. the problem is these people are very, very much exclusive. they don't come to the mainstream mosque to pra